I grew up in the Methodist/United Methodist church where the pastor told us the Israelis did not deserve to get the land of Israel back because all the tribes disobeying God. Sounded reasonable to me, but my church requested a new pastor. My last church was a Missionary Baptist church, which was the far side of the UMC. That was 25 years ago. I don't belong to any church, because I think all churches should be paying taxes and churches/any religious organization who spreads hate should be paying out the whazoo for their hate speech about anyone and pay more to waste education time to abuse/and not treat learning any religious history like…history.
Hate? The only one preaching hatred is you. You hate God; you hate the church; you hate the people who attend church; you hate the unwanted children in the womb and you hate gender dysphoric children, etc... You even hate your own kind. You would rather trample the rights of an actual biological woman than deny a man (who says he's a woman) from having access to a women's locker room and showers. 🙄🤦
We've talked about this recently, but here's where I find some core of a story worth keeping alive in my own reading of the choices that Jesus made with his crucifixion, Patrick. It won't really unravel any of your well landed points about sacrificial atonement, but it does provide me with something that I hang onto with some sense of hope. It boils down to just this -- No matter how we are treated, it's simply not worth our becoming the essence of hostility that we will quite likely be faced with from people who hate our embrace of the beatitudes. In the long run, in the greater scheme of things, maybe, just maybe, I can dream, with Martin, that there is a long arc of the moral universe bending toward justice. And if I pass, like a wisp, for that hope, it would be a help to the bending of that arc in a direction that I cherish, to have passed doing that hope no harm and instead having some peace in willing my own self and history to be a part of a bigger dream to which I aspire.
It's very interesting that your euphemism for murdering a child from within the womb is 'control' of a woman's body. If she truly has control over her body, she should be able to control whether or not she gets pregnant. Additionally, why does 'control' over your body mean that you are dependent on somebody else when it comes to murdering a child from within the womb of your body? If it's truly just your body, do you not have control over it? You wouldn't say we already, from birth, have little control over our own bodies, would you? 🤔
If you are the one that is truly in control, you are the one who turns the switch on or off. The reality is, you do not have complete control over creation; the creation that may start to develop within you. You people entertain erroneous thoughts. God is the author of creation, but He has a system in place. If you pursue the path one way, you may find yourself pregnant. If you are mindful of creation and the process by which it usually begins, yet you are not wanting to be a mother at that particular time in your life, well, then you would know well enough not to do that which might impregnate you. My point is/was (from my previous post) that you do not have 'control' in the sense that you somehow hold your breath and make life begin from within you or turn it off once it has begun. You, as a woman, are not the one who is ultimately in control. You have limited power and control. So much so that you, typically, are dependent on either a drug or someone else as an accomplice to end the life of a child developing within you. Anyone trying to use the word 'control' or 'control over one's body' as a euphemism for a doctor provided abortion is, well, a deluded fool.
“Sin” was originally Greek for something like a tragic flaw, then Hebrew interpreted it to mean “miss the mark”. Okay… so nobody’s perfect.
It is another coincidence of existence that we’re all going to die. And it’s not from being “imperfect.” It’s from being born. A perfect body will still grow old and fail.
And now sin is taken to mean “any immoral act or thought.” Only too convenient for the thought police!
Apparently, you desire to act out in an immoral way and run immoral thoughts without guilt of conscience. How convenient that would be for you, if you could just get rid of that pesky sin concept. 😏
The liberal hivemind comprises the 'thought police'. Sin is not a Greek word, and the religious texts were written in Hebrew before they were ever written in Greek. The Hebrews had a word for sin in their language.
Sin is a violation of God's commands; that is what sin is. God has provided His laws; His commands throughout the scriptures of the Bible. If we do something contrary to that which we know God commands us to do or not do, we have sinned; we have fallen short of the target. Oh, BTW, a perfect body would not die. The body is not created to be perfect. The bodies provided after death, for those that are Jesus' followers, they will be perfect bodies which will never die.
I grew up in the Methodist/United Methodist church where the pastor told us the Israelis did not deserve to get the land of Israel back because all the tribes disobeying God. Sounded reasonable to me, but my church requested a new pastor. My last church was a Missionary Baptist church, which was the far side of the UMC. That was 25 years ago. I don't belong to any church, because I think all churches should be paying taxes and churches/any religious organization who spreads hate should be paying out the whazoo for their hate speech about anyone and pay more to waste education time to abuse/and not treat learning any religious history like…history.
Hate? The only one preaching hatred is you. You hate God; you hate the church; you hate the people who attend church; you hate the unwanted children in the womb and you hate gender dysphoric children, etc... You even hate your own kind. You would rather trample the rights of an actual biological woman than deny a man (who says he's a woman) from having access to a women's locker room and showers. 🙄🤦
We've talked about this recently, but here's where I find some core of a story worth keeping alive in my own reading of the choices that Jesus made with his crucifixion, Patrick. It won't really unravel any of your well landed points about sacrificial atonement, but it does provide me with something that I hang onto with some sense of hope. It boils down to just this -- No matter how we are treated, it's simply not worth our becoming the essence of hostility that we will quite likely be faced with from people who hate our embrace of the beatitudes. In the long run, in the greater scheme of things, maybe, just maybe, I can dream, with Martin, that there is a long arc of the moral universe bending toward justice. And if I pass, like a wisp, for that hope, it would be a help to the bending of that arc in a direction that I cherish, to have passed doing that hope no harm and instead having some peace in willing my own self and history to be a part of a bigger dream to which I aspire.
Darn, I was hoping you would bring out the Gatling gun on him and really lay into his atrocious attack on Christianity.
Preach.
Thanks, Daniel. “A bigger dream to which I aspire.” I embrace that still in my own way.
Atheists beware, you are only 12 questions away from becoming a Christian...
Well. When you put it that way. It does sound kind of silly, doesn't it?
It's very interesting that your euphemism for murdering a child from within the womb is 'control' of a woman's body. If she truly has control over her body, she should be able to control whether or not she gets pregnant. Additionally, why does 'control' over your body mean that you are dependent on somebody else when it comes to murdering a child from within the womb of your body? If it's truly just your body, do you not have control over it? You wouldn't say we already, from birth, have little control over our own bodies, would you? 🤔
Good to know you're okay with rape.
If you are the one that is truly in control, you are the one who turns the switch on or off. The reality is, you do not have complete control over creation; the creation that may start to develop within you. You people entertain erroneous thoughts. God is the author of creation, but He has a system in place. If you pursue the path one way, you may find yourself pregnant. If you are mindful of creation and the process by which it usually begins, yet you are not wanting to be a mother at that particular time in your life, well, then you would know well enough not to do that which might impregnate you. My point is/was (from my previous post) that you do not have 'control' in the sense that you somehow hold your breath and make life begin from within you or turn it off once it has begun. You, as a woman, are not the one who is ultimately in control. You have limited power and control. So much so that you, typically, are dependent on either a drug or someone else as an accomplice to end the life of a child developing within you. Anyone trying to use the word 'control' or 'control over one's body' as a euphemism for a doctor provided abortion is, well, a deluded fool.
How predictable, your comedy is dark. You hate God; you're a miserable person... Surprise, surprise...
“Sin” was originally Greek for something like a tragic flaw, then Hebrew interpreted it to mean “miss the mark”. Okay… so nobody’s perfect.
It is another coincidence of existence that we’re all going to die. And it’s not from being “imperfect.” It’s from being born. A perfect body will still grow old and fail.
And now sin is taken to mean “any immoral act or thought.” Only too convenient for the thought police!
Apparently, you desire to act out in an immoral way and run immoral thoughts without guilt of conscience. How convenient that would be for you, if you could just get rid of that pesky sin concept. 😏
And you know my desires… how? You proved my point.
The liberal hivemind comprises the 'thought police'. Sin is not a Greek word, and the religious texts were written in Hebrew before they were ever written in Greek. The Hebrews had a word for sin in their language.
Sin is a violation of God's commands; that is what sin is. God has provided His laws; His commands throughout the scriptures of the Bible. If we do something contrary to that which we know God commands us to do or not do, we have sinned; we have fallen short of the target. Oh, BTW, a perfect body would not die. The body is not created to be perfect. The bodies provided after death, for those that are Jesus' followers, they will be perfect bodies which will never die.